Discussion:
Anthony Farmer's Memorial Service
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Moira de Swardt
2006-06-11 13:10:59 UTC
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Sunday morning, 11 June, shortly after ten found half the
Johannesburg theatre world enjoying tea and biscuits under the
unusually grey Gauteng winter sky at the Sound Stage as we noted,
and greeted, each arrival for the memorial of Anthony Farmer.

The trend towards sensitive and pleasing memorial services for
non-religious people is one that is satisfying to me as a religious
person. Hypocrisy is never attractive. This particular memorial
service was put together and hosted by Richard Loring who also
served as the Master of Ceremonies for the event. For it was a
suitable event for honouring someone who contributed a great deal to
theatre in South Africa over the nearly six decades in which he
worked in almost every aspect of South African theatre. Richard
Loring is to be commended for all he did to make it happen.

A history of Farmer's work and some of his life was put together
through the various eulogies by people who knew and worked with
"Tony", "Farmer" or "Anthony". Des Lindberg spoke on behalf of the
Theatre Managements, mentioning some of the wonderful things that
were achieved through the vision of this man. One of them was the
unveiling of the elephants at the Lost Palace. Farmer was talking
about using organza. Des wanted logs as being more in keeping with
the concept of elephants. The organza weighed 3.5 kilograms, the
logs weighed 3.5 tons. Sol Kerzner paid R30 000 per day to keep the
crane on hand to remove the logs, an exercise choreographed by
Farmer who had originally trained, and qualified, as a mechanical
engineer. Neels Hansen spoke of the work Farmer did for the various
operatic productions over the years and the Black Tie ensemble sang
some of the arias from most recent opera production he worked on,
Rigoletto. Chatting to one of the singers before the memorial
revealed that when they had been asked to volunteer to perform at
the memorial there had been so many volunteers that they had to be
selected for the honour. I would imagine that would have been the
reaction from most theatrical genres, for there were few people in
the world of entertainment who were not subjected to the "Farmerama"
touch at some time or on some stage. Also presented were a number
from "African Footprint", to which Farmer contributed some of the
lyrics, and then finally the boys from Hi-5 currently appearing at
Sound Stage in their "Queen" medley.

Ivor Jones and Hazel Feldman paid tribute to the work Anthony Farmer
did out at Sun City in the early days, and mentioned that he had
contributed much to the actual design of the theatre, apparently a
theatre which works extremely well from the technical side.
Vincent Bath from the Johannesburg Operatic and Dramatic Society
then paid tribute to the life and work of Anthony Farmer in shows
such as "Kismet", "Man of La Mancha", "Around the World in Eighty
Days" (in which the balloon slid across the space above the
audience), "Showboat" (in which the wheels turned up real water as
the three story high boat moved across the stage), "The Great
Waltz", where the musicians came up on a lift that elevated them
high above the stage, which Percy Tucker explained resulted from an
opening night of something else where the technicians did that by
accident but the audience thought to be a stunning theatrical
device, and "The Merry Widow' where the poor soprano was turned
around on a moving set so quickly that she was almost flung against
the wall backstage each evening.

Farmer originally came to South Africa in 1953 as a dancer in a
touring show, but on that show moved into lighting, and then into
set design and directing. What was not mentioned was that he did a
great deal of set design for spheres other than the strictly
theatrical and the "Events and Installations" magazine had just
finished interviewing him for a professional biography of this
aspect of his life when the news reached them of his death on 20 May
2006, just in time for them to mention it as a footnote. What that
article fails to note anywhere, but which was mentioned time and
again, usually with some humour, was the legendary temper Farmer let
loose whenever things weren't going exactly the way he'd
meticulously planned them to go.

We were given copies of the magazine at the refreshments section
which was held at the Clapperboard beneath the Sound Stage, a bar
venue which I have not visited. A magnificent display of
photographs and articles, including all the obituaries were mounted
for perusal over drinks and snacks. We were also given cards to
write and sign for the book of the event which was being sent to his
sister in England.

I mention some of the quotes from some of the speeches: "Not only
proudly South African, but the best in the world", "long, happy,
illustrious life", "a class act", "creative and imaginative", and
"never been scared of work, only of no work", and "the portals of
heaven have recently been redesigned".

Anthony Farmer was 86 years old at the time of his death. His
passing is a sad loss to the world of theatre in South Africa.
Gillian B
2006-06-17 03:44:20 UTC
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Post by Moira de Swardt
Sunday morning, 11 June, shortly after ten found half the
Johannesburg theatre world enjoying tea and biscuits under the
unusually grey Gauteng winter sky at the Sound Stage as we noted,
and greeted, each arrival for the memorial of Anthony Farmer.
The trend towards sensitive and pleasing memorial services for
non-religious people is one that is satisfying to me as a religious
person. Hypocrisy is never attractive. This particular memorial
service was put together and hosted by Richard Loring who also
served as the Master of Ceremonies for the event. For it was a
suitable event for honouring someone who contributed a great deal to
theatre in South Africa over the nearly six decades in which he
worked in almost every aspect of South African theatre. Richard
Loring is to be commended for all he did to make it happen.
A history of Farmer's work and some of his life was put together
through the various eulogies by people who knew and worked with
"Tony", "Farmer" or "Anthony". Des Lindberg spoke on behalf of the
Theatre Managements, mentioning some of the wonderful things that
were achieved through the vision of this man. One of them was the
unveiling of the elephants at the Lost Palace. Farmer was talking
about using organza. Des wanted logs as being more in keeping with
the concept of elephants. The organza weighed 3.5 kilograms, the
logs weighed 3.5 tons. Sol Kerzner paid R30 000 per day to keep the
crane on hand to remove the logs, an exercise choreographed by
Farmer who had originally trained, and qualified, as a mechanical
engineer. Neels Hansen spoke of the work Farmer did for the various
operatic productions over the years and the Black Tie ensemble sang
some of the arias from most recent opera production he worked on,
Rigoletto. Chatting to one of the singers before the memorial
revealed that when they had been asked to volunteer to perform at
the memorial there had been so many volunteers that they had to be
selected for the honour. I would imagine that would have been the
reaction from most theatrical genres, for there were few people in
the world of entertainment who were not subjected to the "Farmerama"
touch at some time or on some stage. Also presented were a number
from "African Footprint", to which Farmer contributed some of the
lyrics, and then finally the boys from Hi-5 currently appearing at
Sound Stage in their "Queen" medley.
Ivor Jones and Hazel Feldman paid tribute to the work Anthony Farmer
did out at Sun City in the early days, and mentioned that he had
contributed much to the actual design of the theatre, apparently a
theatre which works extremely well from the technical side.
Vincent Bath from the Johannesburg Operatic and Dramatic Society
then paid tribute to the life and work of Anthony Farmer in shows
such as "Kismet", "Man of La Mancha", "Around the World in Eighty
Days" (in which the balloon slid across the space above the
audience), "Showboat" (in which the wheels turned up real water as
the three story high boat moved across the stage), "The Great
Waltz", where the musicians came up on a lift that elevated them
high above the stage, which Percy Tucker explained resulted from an
opening night of something else where the technicians did that by
accident but the audience thought to be a stunning theatrical
device, and "The Merry Widow' where the poor soprano was turned
around on a moving set so quickly that she was almost flung against
the wall backstage each evening.
Farmer originally came to South Africa in 1953 as a dancer in a
touring show, but on that show moved into lighting, and then into
set design and directing. What was not mentioned was that he did a
great deal of set design for spheres other than the strictly
theatrical and the "Events and Installations" magazine had just
finished interviewing him for a professional biography of this
aspect of his life when the news reached them of his death on 20 May
2006, just in time for them to mention it as a footnote. What that
article fails to note anywhere, but which was mentioned time and
again, usually with some humour, was the legendary temper Farmer let
loose whenever things weren't going exactly the way he'd
meticulously planned them to go.
We were given copies of the magazine at the refreshments section
which was held at the Clapperboard beneath the Sound Stage, a bar
venue which I have not visited. A magnificent display of
photographs and articles, including all the obituaries were mounted
for perusal over drinks and snacks. We were also given cards to
write and sign for the book of the event which was being sent to his
sister in England.
I mention some of the quotes from some of the speeches: "Not only
proudly South African, but the best in the world", "long, happy,
illustrious life", "a class act", "creative and imaginative", and
"never been scared of work, only of no work", and "the portals of
heaven have recently been redesigned".
Anthony Farmer was 86 years old at the time of his death. His
passing is a sad loss to the world of theatre in South Africa.
As a non-religious person I have often wondered how a funeral would be
conducted for me as I don't go to church.
Let me know what other memorials you have been to as I am interested in new
ideas about this.
Peter H.M. Brooks
2006-06-17 07:33:53 UTC
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As a non-religious person I have often wondered how a funeral would be
conducted for me as I don't go to church.
Let me know what other memorials you have been to as I am interested in new
ideas about this.
When you're dead you don't have to go to church - somebody else takes
you there.

You can have a funeral at the crematorium instead. They are pretty bleak
places though. I'd recommend a church, you don't have to be polluted
with silly ideas to enjoy the architecture, acoustics and so forth.
Moira de Swardt
2006-06-17 09:55:47 UTC
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Post by Gillian B
As a non-religious person I have often wondered how a funeral
would be
Post by Gillian B
conducted for me as I don't go to church.
Let me know what other memorials you have been to as I am
interested in new
Post by Gillian B
ideas about this.
One of the loveliest memorial services I ever did was for a young
woman who had committed suicide. It was held in her garden. Her
body had been cremated and the ashes were ready for scattering in
the bushes by her children.

A mountain (a lot, about R2000 worth) of her favourite chocolates
were on the table with a photograph of her, and hundreds of yellow
roses (her favourites) were in buckets. People could help
themselves to chocolates and roses.

I had a series of quotations on death which people read, and various
musicians brought musical items.

Cards, watercolours, poster paints, crayons, charcoals, etc. were on
hand for drawings or messages which were put in a book.

I loved helping the family put that one together.

--
Moira de Swardt posting from Johannesburg, South Africa
Remove the dot in my address to find me at home.
Christopher Jahn
2006-06-17 13:45:28 UTC
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Post by Gillian B
As a non-religious person I have often wondered how a funeral
would be conducted for me as I don't go to church.
When you make funeral arrangments - something you should do
yourself while alive - you can not only pick your coffin and
cemetery plot, you can plan the service. Even if you don't go
through all that, simply writing down what you want and leaving
it with family or friends can accomplish the same thing.

Me, I want to be cremated, my ashes put in ashtrays around a
really big party with everyone I've know boozing it up; a really
great party, with a good DJ, good hors d'ouvres, ans so on.

Then I just want to be put out with the trash.
Post by Gillian B
Let me know what other memorials you have been to as I am
interested in new ideas about this.
My grandmother was an atheist, and was adamant about not having
any religous connotations at her funeral. It was held at a
funeral home, and she directed that my Uncle Bob deliver the
eulogy, because "I know you won't make stuff up."

Her sisters did push for a minister, but grandma's executrix -
Aunt Dorothy - held firm to grandma's directives and wouldn't
allow it.

It was a lovely funeral, despite the fact that is was on
Christmas Eve.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin
Peter H.M. Brooks
2006-06-17 13:53:21 UTC
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Me, I want to be cremated, my ashes put in ashtrays around a
really big party with everyone I've know boozing it up; a really
great party, with a good DJ, good hors d'ouvres, ans so on.
The new freeze drying process is much cleaner, I think it might even be
preferable to the Parsee method, which is the best that I've known to date.

I've been trying to find out if the Cape Town crematoria could move to
the freeze dry method.
Rahasya
2006-06-17 14:44:56 UTC
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Post by Christopher Jahn
Me, I want to be cremated, my ashes put in ashtrays around a
really big party with everyone I've know boozing it up; a really
great party, with a good DJ, good hors d'ouvres, ans so on.
The new freeze drying process is much cleaner, I think it might even be
preferable to the Parsee method, which is the best that I've known to date.
I've been trying to find out if the Cape Town crematoria could move to
the freeze dry method.
Wouldn't the freeze-drying just turn one into biltong and still present a
disposal problem?

There's also someone now making diamonds from the ashes... And those who'll
blast (a bit of) your ashes into orbit. Fancy options indeed.

A friend of mine is still trying to find someone that will help with his
wishes. He wants his body dumped in the Kruger Park for natural re-cycling.

In my religion, the standard thing is a fiery cremation with much
celebration - singing and dancing with a "peak" moment when the BANG of the
skull popping is heard. I may or not get that, but it's really of no concern
to me what's left behind, and those who've known me will have their
memories.

I don't go to funerals or marriages anymore. I tend to mourn the marriages
and celebrate the deaths. Not a good fit with prevailing custom.
Peter H.M. Brooks
2006-06-17 17:28:55 UTC
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Post by Rahasya
Post by Peter H.M. Brooks
Post by Christopher Jahn
Me, I want to be cremated, my ashes put in ashtrays around a
really big party with everyone I've know boozing it up; a really
great party, with a good DJ, good hors d'ouvres, ans so on.
The new freeze drying process is much cleaner, I think it might even be
preferable to the Parsee method, which is the best that I've known to date.
I've been trying to find out if the Cape Town crematoria could move to
the freeze dry method.
Wouldn't the freeze-drying just turn one into biltong and still present a
disposal problem?
No. The Swedish method involves using ultrasound to convert the remains
to a find dust - about a quarter of the size and weight of the body.
This can be used as compost.
Post by Rahasya
A friend of mine is still trying to find someone that will help with his
wishes. He wants his body dumped in the Kruger Park for natural re-cycling.
Yes, that's the Parsee method.
Rahasya
2006-06-17 21:06:03 UTC
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Peter H.M. Brooks
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Post by Rahasya
Post by Peter H.M. Brooks
Post by Christopher Jahn
Me, I want to be cremated, my ashes put in ashtrays around a
really big party with everyone I've know boozing it up; a really
great party, with a good DJ, good hors d'ouvres, ans so on.
The new freeze drying process is much cleaner, I think it might even be
preferable to the Parsee method, which is the best that I've known to date.
I've been trying to find out if the Cape Town crematoria could move to
the freeze dry method.
Wouldn't the freeze-drying just turn one into biltong and still present a
disposal problem?
No. The Swedish method involves using ultrasound to convert the remains
to a find dust - about a quarter of the size and weight of the body.
This can be used as compost.
Post by Rahasya
A friend of mine is still trying to find someone that will help with his
wishes. He wants his body dumped in the Kruger Park for natural re-cycling.
Yes, that's the Parsee method.
He doesn't want the tower, and would prefer the lions to have a go before
the vultures.
Christopher Jahn
2006-06-17 21:40:46 UTC
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Peter H.M. Brooks
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Post by Peter H.M. Brooks
Post by Christopher Jahn
Me, I want to be cremated, my ashes put in ashtrays around
a really big party with everyone I've know boozing it up;
a really great party, with a good DJ, good hors d'ouvres,
ans so on.
The new freeze drying process is much cleaner, I think it
might even be preferable to the Parsee method, which is the
best that I've known to date.
I've been trying to find out if the Cape Town crematoria
could move to the freeze dry method.
Wouldn't the freeze-drying just turn one into biltong and
still present a disposal problem?
No. The Swedish method involves using ultrasound to convert
the remains to a find dust - about a quarter of the size and
weight of the body. This can be used as compost.
Post by Rahasya
A friend of mine is still trying to find someone that will
help with his wishes. He wants his body dumped in the Kruger
Park for natural re-cycling.
Yes, that's the Parsee method.
He doesn't want the tower, and would prefer the lions to have
a go before the vultures.
That will be tricky; lions like their meat *very* fresh. They
will eat things found dead, but I don't beleive they like it too
old. Might need to bathe him liberally in fresh goat's blood to
attract cats.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
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At first there was nothing. Then God said 'Let there be light!'
Then there was still nothing. But you could see it.
s***@gmail.com
2006-06-18 03:05:59 UTC
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Peter H.M. Brooks
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Post by Christopher Jahn
Me, I want to be cremated, my ashes put in ashtrays around
a really big party with everyone I've know boozing it up;
a really great party, with a good DJ, good hors d'ouvres,
ans so on.
The new freeze drying process is much cleaner, I think it
might even be preferable to the Parsee method, which is the
best that I've known to date.
I've been trying to find out if the Cape Town crematoria
could move to the freeze dry method.
Wouldn't the freeze-drying just turn one into biltong and
still present a disposal problem?
No. The Swedish method involves using ultrasound to convert
the remains to a find dust - about a quarter of the size and
weight of the body. This can be used as compost.
Post by Rahasya
A friend of mine is still trying to find someone that will
help with his wishes. He wants his body dumped in the Kruger
Park for natural re-cycling.
Yes, that's the Parsee method.
He doesn't want the tower, and would prefer the lions to have
a go before the vultures.
That will be tricky; lions like their meat *very* fresh.
As some guy in Kiev found out the other week:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5049082.stm

Stephen
Judy
2006-06-18 11:12:23 UTC
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Peter H.M. Brooks
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Me, I want to be cremated, my ashes put in ashtrays around
a really big party with everyone I've know boozing it up;
a really great party, with a good DJ, good hors d'ouvres,
ans so on.
The new freeze drying process is much cleaner, I think it
might even be preferable to the Parsee method, which is the
best that I've known to date.
I've been trying to find out if the Cape Town crematoria
could move to the freeze dry method.
Wouldn't the freeze-drying just turn one into biltong and
still present a disposal problem?
No. The Swedish method involves using ultrasound to convert
the remains to a find dust - about a quarter of the size and
weight of the body. This can be used as compost.
Post by Rahasya
A friend of mine is still trying to find someone that will
help with his wishes. He wants his body dumped in the Kruger
Park for natural re-cycling.
Yes, that's the Parsee method.
He doesn't want the tower, and would prefer the lions to have
a go before the vultures.
That will be tricky; lions like their meat *very* fresh.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5049082.stm
Stephen
I think this is a perfect example of natural selection at
work.
Rahasya
2006-06-18 11:34:12 UTC
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5049082.stm
Stephen
I think this is a perfect example of natural selection at
work.
Oh yes, though we mostly accomplish that through having become our own
predators. Only way to improve the gene pool.

I find the theological implications interesting...
s***@gmail.com
2006-06-18 14:42:42 UTC
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5049082.stm
Stephen
I think this is a perfect example of natural selection at
work.
Oh yes, though we mostly accomplish that through having become our own
predators. Only way to improve the gene pool.
I find the theological implications interesting...
Ha! I found out about this story via, ahem, the popbitch email list,
which included it under the headline "God is dead".

Stephen
Christopher Jahn
2006-06-18 11:38:51 UTC
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That will be tricky; lions like their meat *very* fresh.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5049082.stm
I think this is a perfect example of natural selection at
work.
I smell another Darwin Award winner.
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html

I just walk right through the door...
Peter H.M. Brooks
2006-06-18 12:53:57 UTC
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I think this is a perfect example of natural selection at work.
Not really - lion stew would be a better example. It's odd that lions
are kept alive in cages completely artificially for our enjoyment.
Christopher Jahn
2006-06-18 13:01:32 UTC
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Post by Judy
I think this is a perfect example of natural selection at
work.
Not really - lion stew would be a better example. It's odd
that lions are kept alive in cages completely artificially for
our enjoyment.
Not really: we keep them so the incredibly weak-minded will climb
into their cage and get eaten, thus removing the weak-minded from
the gene-pool.

See? The system works!
--
}:-) Christopher Jahn
{:-( http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html

Sir, you have tasted two whole worms; you have hissed all my
mystery lectures and been caught fighting a liar in the quad.
Peter H.M. Brooks
2006-06-18 13:36:51 UTC
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Post by Peter H.M. Brooks
Post by Judy
I think this is a perfect example of natural selection at
work.
Not really - lion stew would be a better example. It's odd
that lions are kept alive in cages completely artificially for
our enjoyment.
Not really: we keep them so the incredibly weak-minded will climb
into their cage and get eaten, thus removing the weak-minded from
the gene-pool.
See? The system works!
Not really - if we put the Shrub, Phony Tony and that lot into cages
with lions we'd have dealt with the weak-willed and dangerous sensibly.

Having random nutters killing themselves makes little difference to much
- they'd only get run over instead if they weren't the lions.
Christopher Jahn
2006-06-18 14:04:48 UTC
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Post by Judy
I think this is a perfect example of natural selection at
work.
Not really - lion stew would be a better example. It's odd
that lions are kept alive in cages completely artificially
for our enjoyment.
Not really: we keep them so the incredibly weak-minded will
climb into their cage and get eaten, thus removing the
weak-minded from the gene-pool.
See? The system works!
Not really - if we put the Shrub, Phony Tony and that lot into
cages with lions we'd have dealt with the weak-willed and
dangerous sensibly.
They may be weak-minded, but they are certainly not weak-willed.
They do whatever stupid thing they've decided to do, and continue
to do it long after it's been revealed as a stupid thing to do;
that's a pretty strong will to do stupid things, if you ask me.
Post by Peter H.M. Brooks
Having random nutters killing themselves makes little
difference to much - they'd only get run over instead if they
weren't the lions.
Anyone can get run over. It takes a real nut case to climb into a
cage of lions.
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}:-) Christopher Jahn
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We have them exactly where they want us. (cmdr James T. Kirk)
Peter H.M. Brooks
2006-06-18 14:47:55 UTC
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Not really - if we put the Shrub, Phony Tony and that lot into
cages with lions we'd have dealt with the weak-willed and
dangerous sensibly.
They may be weak-minded, but they are certainly not weak-willed.
They do whatever stupid thing they've decided to do, and continue
to do it long after it's been revealed as a stupid thing to do;
that's a pretty strong will to do stupid things, if you ask me.
The Shrub was an alcoholic and still behaves like one - that doesn't
require strong will at all. Phony Tony has no will at all, he'll be
anybody's poodle to keep his fagile ego intact with power. They are
very, very weak people.

Carrying on with stupidity isn't a matter of a strong will - it just
isn't having the courage to face up to your mistakes, more weak will.
N***@aol.com
2006-06-19 15:17:39 UTC
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Christopher Jahn wrote: It takes a real nut case to climb into a
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cage of lions.
God exists, but doesn't suffer fools gladly.





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s***@gmail.com
2006-06-18 14:46:54 UTC
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Post by Judy
I think this is a perfect example of natural selection at
work.
Not really - lion stew would be a better example. It's odd
that lions are kept alive in cages completely artificially for
our enjoyment.
Not really: we keep them so the incredibly weak-minded will climb
into their cage and get eaten, thus removing the weak-minded from
the gene-pool.
See? The system works!
Not really - if we put the Shrub, Phony Tony and that lot into cages
with lions we'd have dealt with the weak-willed and dangerous sensibly.
In the case of those two, the lions might spit them out.

Stephen
Peter H.M. Brooks
2006-06-18 14:55:01 UTC
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Post by Christopher Jahn
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Post by Judy
I think this is a perfect example of natural selection at
work.
Not really - lion stew would be a better example. It's odd
that lions are kept alive in cages completely artificially for
our enjoyment.
Not really: we keep them so the incredibly weak-minded will climb
into their cage and get eaten, thus removing the weak-minded from
the gene-pool.
See? The system works!
Not really - if we put the Shrub, Phony Tony and that lot into cages
with lions we'd have dealt with the weak-willed and dangerous sensibly.
In the case of those two, the lions might spit them out.
You're right - I should be reported to the RSPCA for the mere idea of
such cruelty to lions. Maybe they could be thrown to rats.
s***@gmail.com
2006-06-18 15:03:26 UTC
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Post by Christopher Jahn
Post by Peter H.M. Brooks
I think this is a perfect example of natural selection at work.
Not really - lion stew would be a better example. It's odd
that lions are kept alive in cages completely artificially for
our enjoyment.
Not really: we keep them so the incredibly weak-minded will climb
into their cage and get eaten, thus removing the weak-minded from
the gene-pool.
See? The system works!
Not really - if we put the Shrub, Phony Tony and that lot into cages
with lions we'd have dealt with the weak-willed and dangerous sensibly.
In the case of those two, the lions might spit them out.
You're right - I should be reported to the RSPCA for the mere idea of
such cruelty to lions. Maybe they could be thrown to rats.
Blair is possibly the most disappointing British PM in several decades.
He promised so much - and I don't think, in 1997, any of us would have
seen *this* coming. Labour got back in last year - on an incredibly
narrow margin - *despite* him, not because of him, largely because the
alternatives were even less appealing (when your ballot gives you a
choice between voting for a party led by Tony Blair, a party led by
Michael Howard, and a party led by Charles Kennedy, you're in trouble.
In the constituency in which I vote, a Lib Dem vote is a waste of a
vote, and there are no circumstances in which I could vote Tory, so I
had to vote Labour... which I did, with some distaste, since I'm not
*that* keen on my MP - Tessa Jowell - either).

Stephen
Peter H.M. Brooks
2006-06-18 16:50:30 UTC
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Post by Peter H.M. Brooks
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Post by Peter H.M. Brooks
Post by Christopher Jahn
Post by Peter H.M. Brooks
I think this is a perfect example of natural selection at work.
Not really - lion stew would be a better example. It's odd
that lions are kept alive in cages completely artificially for
our enjoyment.
Not really: we keep them so the incredibly weak-minded will climb
into their cage and get eaten, thus removing the weak-minded from
the gene-pool.
See? The system works!
Not really - if we put the Shrub, Phony Tony and that lot into cages
with lions we'd have dealt with the weak-willed and dangerous sensibly.
In the case of those two, the lions might spit them out.
You're right - I should be reported to the RSPCA for the mere idea of
such cruelty to lions. Maybe they could be thrown to rats.
Blair is possibly the most disappointing British PM in several decades.
He promised so much - and I don't think, in 1997, any of us would have
seen *this* coming. Labour got back in last year - on an incredibly
narrow margin - *despite* him, not because of him, largely because the
alternatives were even less appealing (when your ballot gives you a
choice between voting for a party led by Tony Blair, a party led by
Michael Howard, and a party led by Charles Kennedy, you're in trouble.
In the constituency in which I vote, a Lib Dem vote is a waste of a
vote, and there are no circumstances in which I could vote Tory, so I
had to vote Labour... which I did, with some distaste, since I'm not
*that* keen on my MP - Tessa Jowell - either).
I think he's even worse than Harold Wilson and that says something...
s***@gmail.com
2006-06-20 15:24:01 UTC
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Post by Peter H.M. Brooks
Post by s***@gmail.com
Post by Peter H.M. Brooks
Post by Christopher Jahn
Post by Peter H.M. Brooks
I think this is a perfect example of natural selection at work.
Not really - lion stew would be a better example. It's odd
that lions are kept alive in cages completely artificially for
our enjoyment.
Not really: we keep them so the incredibly weak-minded will climb
into their cage and get eaten, thus removing the weak-minded from
the gene-pool.
See? The system works!
Not really - if we put the Shrub, Phony Tony and that lot into cages
with lions we'd have dealt with the weak-willed and dangerous sensibly.
In the case of those two, the lions might spit them out.
You're right - I should be reported to the RSPCA for the mere idea of
such cruelty to lions. Maybe they could be thrown to rats.
Blair is possibly the most disappointing British PM in several decades.
He promised so much - and I don't think, in 1997, any of us would have
seen *this* coming. Labour got back in last year - on an incredibly
narrow margin - *despite* him, not because of him, largely because the
alternatives were even less appealing (when your ballot gives you a
choice between voting for a party led by Tony Blair, a party led by
Michael Howard, and a party led by Charles Kennedy, you're in trouble.
In the constituency in which I vote, a Lib Dem vote is a waste of a
vote, and there are no circumstances in which I could vote Tory, so I
had to vote Labour... which I did, with some distaste, since I'm not
*that* keen on my MP - Tessa Jowell - either).
I think he's even worse than Harold Wilson and that says something...
Wilson, at least, managed to set up the Open University. Blair has yet
to achieve anything comparable.

Thatcher and Major, of course, were far worse than either - but
expectations for Major were quite low, and Thatcher is the walking
incarnation of evil so it's difficult for anyone else to compete with
her.

Stephen

Christopher Jahn
2006-06-18 15:19:35 UTC
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Post by Peter H.M. Brooks
Not really - if we put the Shrub, Phony Tony and that lot
into cages with lions we'd have dealt with the weak-willed
and dangerous sensibly.
In the case of those two, the lions might spit them out.
You're right - I should be reported to the RSPCA for the mere
idea of such cruelty to lions. Maybe they could be thrown to
rats.
They're already in with the rats.
;-)
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I don't want anybody else; when I think about you I touch myself
Peter H.M. Brooks
2006-06-18 06:06:33 UTC
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Peter H.M. Brooks
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Post by Christopher Jahn
Me, I want to be cremated, my ashes put in ashtrays around a
really big party with everyone I've know boozing it up; a really
great party, with a good DJ, good hors d'ouvres, ans so on.
The new freeze drying process is much cleaner, I think it might even be
preferable to the Parsee method, which is the best that I've known to date.
I've been trying to find out if the Cape Town crematoria could move to
the freeze dry method.
Wouldn't the freeze-drying just turn one into biltong and still present a
disposal problem?
No. The Swedish method involves using ultrasound to convert the remains
to a find dust - about a quarter of the size and weight of the body.
This can be used as compost.
Post by Rahasya
A friend of mine is still trying to find someone that will help with his
wishes. He wants his body dumped in the Kruger Park for natural re-cycling.
Yes, that's the Parsee method.
He doesn't want the tower, and would prefer the lions to have a go before
the vultures.
The Parsees don't have a particular thing about vultures - they'd just
like their bodies to be consumed without the need for fire and without
occupying grave space (though the bones, of course, remain in the tower
for some time). So lions are just as good. It seems odd to want lions to
eat before vultures, though, surely it doesn't matter if a hyena or wild
dog has a snack before or with the vultures?
Rahasya
2006-06-18 08:44:49 UTC
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Post by Rahasya
Peter H.M. Brooks
Post by Peter H.M. Brooks
Post by Rahasya
Post by Peter H.M. Brooks
Post by Christopher Jahn
Me, I want to be cremated, my ashes put in ashtrays around a
really big party with everyone I've know boozing it up; a really
great party, with a good DJ, good hors d'ouvres, ans so on.
The new freeze drying process is much cleaner, I think it might even be
preferable to the Parsee method, which is the best that I've known to date.
I've been trying to find out if the Cape Town crematoria could move to
the freeze dry method.
Wouldn't the freeze-drying just turn one into biltong and still present a
disposal problem?
No. The Swedish method involves using ultrasound to convert the remains
to a find dust - about a quarter of the size and weight of the body.
This can be used as compost.
Post by Rahasya
A friend of mine is still trying to find someone that will help with his
wishes. He wants his body dumped in the Kruger Park for natural re-cycling.
Yes, that's the Parsee method.
He doesn't want the tower, and would prefer the lions to have a go before
the vultures.
The Parsees don't have a particular thing about vultures - they'd just
like their bodies to be consumed without the need for fire and without
occupying grave space (though the bones, of course, remain in the tower
for some time). So lions are just as good. It seems odd to want lions to
eat before vultures, though, surely it doesn't matter if a hyena or wild
dog has a snack before or with the vultures?
I gather he's fond of the hyenas and wild dogs too, so wouldn't want a
tower. Just to give them first bite. I'm not volunteering to take his body
there and dump it... My own view is that the body isn't relevant to one when
one's left it. Though I do appreciate that there's an aesthetic choice
involved. I have no concerns, but I'd probably be against being gibbeted.

That barbaric thing of displaying the body (parts) seems to be done mainly
by Iraqis these days, though I suspect the Americans may have started things
there... I seem to remember they displayed the body of a son of Saddam. And
of course, it was standard training for America's boys in Nicaragua
(Contras) to do horrible dismemberments, and terrorise the populace with the
display of bodies.

So, I'll avoid the middle east, and the USA on my travels. Cruelty is very
much part of the human way.. but there's something about the (current)
American and (historic) English way of being cold and deliberate about such
practices that really turns me off. I think I'd accept it easier if it
happened in hot blood, in which case, it's ugly but somewhat natural.

Back to more like on topic.. The lifegem.com guys have made a few diamonds
from Beethoven's hair, and are interested in doing the same with living
celebrities. This may be a way to give diamonds "value" now that gem-quality
stones are produced for 100 USDollars or so. Amazing to me that Sterns et al
are still in business.
Peter H.M. Brooks
2006-06-18 12:44:39 UTC
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That barbaric thing of displaying the body (parts) seems to be done mainly
by Iraqis these days, though I suspect the Americans may have started things
there... I seem to remember they displayed the body of a son of Saddam.
The Yanks displayed both his sons in disgusting triumphalism as they've
also displayed the recent monster who was bombed to death (one wonders
how many half ton bombs they dropped on other farmhouses before hitting
one with that chap in it). They're a very primitive bunch, Yanks, as we
know, civilised countries don't execute people.
s***@gmail.com
2006-06-17 16:13:17 UTC
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Post by Gillian B
As a non-religious person I have often wondered how a funeral
would be conducted for me as I don't go to church.
When you make funeral arrangments - something you should do
yourself while alive - you can not only pick your coffin and
cemetery plot, you can plan the service. Even if you don't go
through all that, simply writing down what you want and leaving
it with family or friends can accomplish the same thing.
Me, I want to be cremated, my ashes put in ashtrays around a
really big party with everyone I've know boozing it up; a really
great party, with a good DJ, good hors d'ouvres, ans so on.
Then I just want to be put out with the trash.
Post by Gillian B
Let me know what other memorials you have been to as I am
interested in new ideas about this.
My grandmother was an atheist, and was adamant about not having
any religous connotations at her funeral. It was held at a
funeral home, and she directed that my Uncle Bob deliver the
eulogy, because "I know you won't make stuff up."
Her sisters did push for a minister, but grandma's executrix -
Aunt Dorothy - held firm to grandma's directives and wouldn't
allow it.
My grandmother went one better, and catered her own funeral.

Seriously.

Stephen
Christopher Jahn
2006-06-17 20:34:00 UTC
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My grandmother went one better, and catered her own funeral.
If my grandma had done that, there would have been lots of
follow-up funerals. She wasn't renowned for her cooking.
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What do you want me to do, learn to stutter?
s***@gmail.com
2006-06-18 02:57:32 UTC
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My grandmother went one better, and catered her own funeral.
If my grandma had done that, there would have been lots of
follow-up funerals. She wasn't renowned for her cooking.
She died fairly suddenly (at age 87), and there was a near-industrial
quantity of baked goods in her freezer, as there always was (I don't
think she ever had a visitor who didn't leave, at the very least, with
a tupperware containing a couple of dozen almond macaroons). So we
defrosted it all and served it at the funeral reception. She was a
remarkable, formidable woman, and we think she would have appreciated
this rather unusual final achievement.

Stephen
fmomoon
2006-06-18 04:42:43 UTC
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Post by Christopher Jahn
Post by s***@gmail.com
My grandmother went one better, and catered her own funeral.
If my grandma had done that, there would have been lots of
follow-up funerals. She wasn't renowned for her cooking.
She died fairly suddenly (at age 87), and there was a near-industrial
quantity of baked goods in her freezer, as there always was (I don't
think she ever had a visitor who didn't leave, at the very least, with
a tupperware containing a couple of dozen almond macaroons). So we
defrosted it all and served it at the funeral reception. She was a
remarkable, formidable woman, and we think she would have appreciated
this rather unusual final achievement.
Stephen
Now that is what I call being prepared! When my dad passed away, my brother
opened a few bottles of wine to share at the wake. These were bottles my
dad had saved and we figured he would have wanted them used to celebrate his
life. It worked.
--
Moni (fmomoon)
s***@gmail.com
2006-06-18 14:40:33 UTC
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Post by Christopher Jahn
Post by s***@gmail.com
My grandmother went one better, and catered her own funeral.
If my grandma had done that, there would have been lots of
follow-up funerals. She wasn't renowned for her cooking.
She died fairly suddenly (at age 87), and there was a near-industrial
quantity of baked goods in her freezer, as there always was (I don't
think she ever had a visitor who didn't leave, at the very least, with
a tupperware containing a couple of dozen almond macaroons). So we
defrosted it all and served it at the funeral reception. She was a
remarkable, formidable woman, and we think she would have appreciated
this rather unusual final achievement.
Stephen
Now that is what I call being prepared! When my dad passed away, my brother
opened a few bottles of wine to share at the wake. These were bottles my
dad had saved and we figured he would have wanted them used to celebrate his
life. It worked.
After my Dad's funeral - and the "public" wake - we had a gathering at
Mum's house for family and close friends where we did something very
similar (Dad was a *big* wine buff).

Stephen
Christopher Jahn
2006-06-18 11:36:42 UTC
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My grandmother went one better, and catered her own
funeral.
If my grandma had done that, there would have been lots of
follow-up funerals. She wasn't renowned for her cooking.
She died fairly suddenly (at age 87), and there was a
near-industrial quantity of baked goods in her freezer, as
there always was (I don't think she ever had a visitor who
didn't leave, at the very least, with a tupperware containing
a couple of dozen almond macaroons). So we defrosted it all
and served it at the funeral reception. She was a remarkable,
formidable woman, and we think she would have appreciated this
rather unusual final achievement.
What a wonderful memorial!
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s***@gmail.com
2006-06-18 14:45:47 UTC
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Post by Christopher Jahn
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My grandmother went one better, and catered her own
funeral.
If my grandma had done that, there would have been lots of
follow-up funerals. She wasn't renowned for her cooking.
She died fairly suddenly (at age 87), and there was a
near-industrial quantity of baked goods in her freezer, as
there always was (I don't think she ever had a visitor who
didn't leave, at the very least, with a tupperware containing
a couple of dozen almond macaroons). So we defrosted it all
and served it at the funeral reception. She was a remarkable,
formidable woman, and we think she would have appreciated this
rather unusual final achievement.
What a wonderful memorial!
It was, yes. As I said, she was an amazing, formidable woman (with a
backbone, it seemed to us, of pure steel), and it seemed like a fitting
tribute. She'd also made lemon curd, which was in her fridge, so my
mother and I made lemon cakes and filled them with it, and served them
at the reception.

Plus, of course, it gave her kids and grandkids one hell of an
anecdote.

Stephen
Bushwhacker
2006-06-17 17:06:18 UTC
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Post by Christopher Jahn
Post by Gillian B
As a non-religious person I have often wondered how a funeral
would be conducted for me as I don't go to church.
When you make funeral arrangments - something you should do
yourself while alive - you can not only pick your coffin and
cemetery plot, you can plan the service. Even if you don't go
through all that, simply writing down what you want and leaving
it with family or friends can accomplish the same thing.
Me, I want to be cremated, my ashes put in ashtrays around a
really big party with everyone I've know boozing it up; a really
great party, with a good DJ, good hors d'ouvres, ans so on.
Then I just want to be put out with the trash.
That's my plan, too, except that I want my ashes scattered somewhere --
I still haven't decided on that.
Post by Christopher Jahn
Post by Gillian B
Let me know what other memorials you have been to as I am
interested in new ideas about this.
My grandmother was an atheist, and was adamant about not having
any religous connotations at her funeral. It was held at a
funeral home, and she directed that my Uncle Bob deliver the
eulogy, because "I know you won't make stuff up."
Her sisters did push for a minister, but grandma's executrix -
Aunt Dorothy - held firm to grandma's directives and wouldn't
allow it.
It was a lovely funeral, despite the fact that is was on
Christmas Eve.
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